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[Indiana Jones]

Yeah, especially my nose tip and forehead

Yes...

pontid is absolutly predominant

I agree.

Look what i found that's quite interesting

But I think that here described balcanic forms, but not Eastern Europeans (Polish, Ukrainian etc.)

[Slaska]

Yes...

Do you see any Baltid from me ? Apart from nose and forehead.

But I think that here described balcanic forms, but not Eastern Europeans (Polish, Ukrainian etc.)

Really ? Why so ?

[Indiana Jones]

Do you see any Baltid from me ? Apart from nose and forehead.

You definitely look like dark-pigmented Eastern-European. You have nose-form that is common only amongst Ukrainians, Poles, Czechs and Slovaks - your nose is narrow/long, but slightly concave at the same time.
Also you can pass as slavonian Croat. Of course Dalmatian croats are definitely Mediterranean people (they look just like Greeks, Occitans, Italians etc), but Slavonians ones are something inbetween Central (west slavic / germanic) and Southern (greco-roman) Europeans.

Just look at the guy which is second from the right - he has look which is definitely connected with your phenotype:

[Indiana Jones]

Really ? Why so ?

I would say that Ukrainians (which are for the most part Eastern Alpines) are pretty wide-nosed.

[Slaska]

You definitely look like dark-pigmented Eastern-European. You have nose-form that is common only amongst Ukrainians, Poles, Czechs and Slovaks - your nose is narrow/long, but slightly concave at the same time.
Also you can pass as slavonian Croat. Of course Dalmatian croats are definitely Mediterranean people (they look just like Greeks, Occitans, Italians etc), but Slavonians ones are something inbetween Central (west slavic / germanic) and Southern (greco-roman) Europeans.

Actually, i dont think i'm dark, just medium.
(I'm the guy from left)

When you said Eastern Europen, do you like Poles, Czech, Ukrainian or Southern Eastern European balkan ?
Anyway, i've been told that i have a Slavic eye. I dont think there is no such thing as Slavic race, i mean Slavic are basically meta-ethnically.

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Just look at the guy which is second from the right - he has look which is definitely connected with your phenotype:
His and me might be similiar phenotypicaally but i dont think i looks like him.

[Slaska]

I would say that Ukrainians (which are for the most part Eastern Alpines) are pretty wide-nosed.

My mum does't have that wide nose.

[киевлянин]

Я тоже полагаю, что в данном случае речь может идти о норд-ираниде, а не медитерраниде: узкое лицо со слабым развитием подкожной ткани, узкая глазная щель, астеническое телосложение. Меня не удивляет наличие такого компонента в поляках: на отдыхе уже имел возможность наблюдать целое семейство поляков с типичным набором для норд-иранидов Видимо, небольшое северо-иранское влияние все же "врезается клином" в население Польши, вероятно, с юго-востока.

По поводу славонцев. Они действительно относятся к карпатской группе популяций, но здесь поднимается другой интересный вопрос: к какой группе популяций отнести районы Хорватии между Славонией и Далмацией? Наверное, как раз здесь уместно сказать следующее:
"something inbetween Central (west slavic / germanic) and Southern (greco-roman) Europeans."

Сообщение изменено: киевлянин, 01 Декабрь 2010 - 15:45.

[Slaska]

[Quote name = 'Kievan' date = '1 .12.2010, 15:39 'post = '83903']
I also believe that in this case we can talk about the north-iranide, not mediterranide: narrow face with a weak development of the subcutaneous tissue, a narrow palpebral fissure, asthenic physique.
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I agree with you. I dont think i am Mediterreaneanid or looks Med. Speaking of narrow palpebral fissure, do you think it's Baltid trait ?

[Slaska]

I was not surprised by the presence of such a component in the Poles: the rest had the opportunity to observe a family of Poles with the typical set for the north-iranidov:) Apparently, a small north-Iranian influence is still "cuts a wedge in the population of Poland, probably from the southeast .

Actually, my root come from Southern Western Poland (Silesian).

[киевлянин]

Speaking of narrow palpebral fissure, do you think it's Baltid trait ?

Definitely no. I suppose there is no connection with at least East Baltids (in your case) and consider this feature typical Nord-Iranic.

Moreover, do not pay attention at nonsense about Tronders, written at another forum. They have connection neither with typical East Europeans morphotypes, nor with your type, being basically South European.

Сообщение изменено: киевлянин, 01 Декабрь 2010 - 15:54.

[киевлянин]

Actually, my root come from Southern Western Poland (Silesian).

That's great I also have Silesian roots, from Bielsko-Biała

[Slaska]

That's great I also have Silesian roots, from Bielsko-Biała

And i come from Ruda Slaska. :D

[Slaska]

Definitely no. I suppose there is no connection with at least East Baltids (in your case) and consider this feature typical Nord-Iranic.

When i said Baltid, i mean Baltid (proper).

Moreover, do not pay attention at nonsense about Tronders, written at another forum. They have connection neither with typical East Europeans morphotypes, nor with your type, being basically South European.

As far as i know i have no Southern European ancestry.

[Slaska]

What is North-Iranic ? Is it Pontid ?

[Indiana Jones]

но здесь поднимается другой интересный вопрос: к какой группе популяций отнести районы Хорватии между Славонией и Далмацией?

Далмация (включая Динарскую часть Хорватии) отделена от Славонии Савой. Поэтому "между" здесь будет только-лишь Загреб, о котором, наверно, можно сказать... "something inbetween Central (west slavic / germanic) and Southern (greco-roman) Europeans."

Actually, i dont think i'm dark, just medium.

I mean that you are dark in European sens. Your pigmentation is alike pigmentantion of average spaniard or french-man or mainland italian, but, of course, you are much more lighter than average sicilian or bulgarian.

P.S. And, as for your sister, she looks like typical west-slavic girl.

My mum does't have that wide nose.

I agree.

When you said Eastern Europen, do you like Poles, Czech, Ukrainian or Southern Eastern European balkan ?

For the most part, I mean eastern Slavs. Poles, Czechs and Slovaks I consider "Central European" and southern slavs - "South-Eastern European". And yes, as for my eyes, you look more like Ukrainian than Polish (actually, I live in Ukraine and know many ukrainians and autochtonic poles).

[киевлянин]

And i come from Ruda Slaska. :D

If you met anyone with surname Kraśenski he/she 'ld be my relative:)

Сообщение изменено: киевлянин, 01 Декабрь 2010 - 16:09.

[Indiana Jones]

What is North-Iranic ? Is it Pontid ?

Yes, because "true" Pontids are people of Caucasus just like Circassians or Georgians
"Pontics" of the Central-Eastern Europe are descendants of Iranic stock and they are "North-Iranids" in the classification of dr. Engel (this term actually is much more correct).

[Indiana Jones]

Slaska

I moved your thread to the Anglo-speaking sub-forum...

[киевлянин]

Хорошо, а к какому региону тогда отнести районы на запад от выделенного темно-синим (Славония по версии хорватской Википедии, так сказать)

[Indiana Jones]

киевлянин

Хм... Но это же и есть западная часть Славонии

[Slaska]

I mean that you are dark in European sens. Your pigmentation is alike pigmentantion of average spaniard or french-man or mainland italian, but, of course, you are much more lighter than average sicilian or bulgarian.

I'm not that dark Dark. I got my pigmentation from my mother (my little sister and brother are more lighter than me because they got it from dad).

P.S. And, as for your sister, she looks like typical west-slavic girl.

Yeah, she does but how would you classify her, then ?

For the most part, I mean eastern Slavs. Poles, Czechs and Slovaks I consider "Central European" and southern slavs - "South-Eastern European". And yes, as for my eyes, you look more like Ukrainian than Polish (actually, I live in Ukraine and know many ukrainians and autochtonic poles).

When i think of Ukrainian, i think of Alpinid :D but i suppose there are more Pontid in Ukraine than in Poland. I think i looks more West Slavic than anything because of my Baltid admixture.

[Indiana Jones]

Yeah, she does but how would you classify her, then ?

I would say that she is Sub-nordic

[Slaska]

If you met anyone with surname Kraśenski he/she 'ld be my relative:)

Ok :D

[киевлянин]

What is North-Iranic ? Is it Pontid ?

Generally, yes. They are called "pontics" at forums.
They are implied to be descendants of North Iranic population in East Europe (predominantly, Sarmatians).

i suppose there are more Pontid in Ukraine than in Poland.

If we apply the population theory, we'll discover nearly 10% of Ukrainian population, that belong to Pontic population, however, there are different anthrotypes there...

Сообщение изменено: киевлянин, 01 Декабрь 2010 - 16:18.

[Slaska]

Yes, because "true" Pontids are people of Caucasus just like Circassians or Georgians
"Pontics" of the Central-Eastern Europe are descendants of Iranic stock and they are "North-Iranids" in the classification of dr. Engel (this term actually is much more correct).

I guess i must be descent of ancient Iranian. :D
Got a picture of North Iranid example ?

[Slaska]

I gotta go. I'll speak to you later about it.

[киевлянин]

Ukrainian nord-iranids

Сообщение изменено: киевлянин, 02 Декабрь 2010 - 18:02.

[Slaska]

Ukrainian nord-iranids

WOW! Is this what Nord-Iranids looks like ? I suppose they are part of Mediterraneanid family but they doesn't looks Mediterraneanid. When i think of Med, i think of Gracile-Med. :D

[Slaska]

I dont know much about my father ancestry because he just left us when i was about 5 years old but all i know is that he's half Polish and half something.
Anyway, i looks more like my mum side than my father side. It's so strange to see that my pontid influence is quite stronger in me than rest of my family (some of them seem to have Pontid influence especially my mum and sister). it is about a certain portion of your genes which determines whether you go rather in this or that direction by racial traits, right ?


Here a picture of my grandmother (my mum mother) who seem to have stronger Baltid influence more than me and my mum but she's probably too old to be classify. I'm not sure if you're agree or not.
(She's the one with yellow t-shirt)

[Indiana Jones]

I suppose they are part of Mediterraneanid family but they doesn't looks Mediterraneanid. When i think of Med, i think of Gracile-Med. :D

Genetically and anthropologically they are far from Mediterrenean spectrum.